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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187934291" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187934291">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to do some pre-triage before the meeting here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187934408" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187934408">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:40)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AA-async-await+is%3Aopen+-label%3AAsyncAwait-Triaged&amp;type=Issues" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AA-async-await+is%3Aopen+-label%3AAsyncAwait-Triaged&amp;type=Issues">Uncategorized issues</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187934413" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187934413">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Strange borrowing issue in inherent async method. <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950">#68950</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187934922" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187934922">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>looks like a dupe of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/64552" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/64552">#64552</a>, which is marked OnDeck</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187934981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187934981">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is actually worse than a confusing diagnostic IMO, since it's an error message for something that <em>should</em> compile</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935095" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935095">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to mark this one as OnDeck, and consider upgrading <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950">#68950</a> to Focus</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935259" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935259">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, reminder <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1172">@WG-async-foundations</span> that the meeting officially starts in 10-ish minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935282">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll keep doing pre-triage until then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935292">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>25% compile time increase on beta when building async-std <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68864" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68864">#68864</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935417" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935417">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's a significant slowdown</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935437" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935437">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>needs bisection, and better to catch it while it's fresh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935593">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>marking OnDeck</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187935629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187935629">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Async await mulitple lifetimes issue with <code>Box</code> <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68759" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68759">#68759</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936066" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936066">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm, I was going to compare to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950">#68950</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936152" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936152">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it appears both of these can be worked around using <code>impl Future</code> with an explicit lifetime</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936236">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the biggest question here is "can we accept this without lang team involvement," and I think the answer is yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936248" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936248">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I am worried about marking too many issues as OnDeck</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936275" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936275">(Feb 11 2020 at 17:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, going to do it for now and we can sort it out during the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936361">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we need some tags to categorize OnDeck issues a bit better?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936552">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>in any case, let's get started</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936559">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1172">@WG-async-foundations</span>, meeting time!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936804">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:04)</a>:</h4>
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<p><a href="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AA-async-await+is%3Aopen+-label%3AAsyncAwait-Triaged&amp;type=Issues" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AA-async-await+is%3Aopen+-label%3AAsyncAwait-Triaged&amp;type=Issues">Uncategorized issues</a></p>
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<p>continuing from before</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936847" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936847">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>E0700 does not point to where the captured lifetime is <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68604" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68604">#68604</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936928" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936928">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936944">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>this needs a more minimal example</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936949">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems like "triaged" to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187936950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187936950">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>but yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937057" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937057">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems possibly related to issues like <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950">#68950</a> and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68759" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68759">#68759</a> above</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937112">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>left a comment about minimizing. moving on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937124" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937124">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Confusing error message when expecting BoxFuture <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68197" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68197">#68197</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937168">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
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<p>seems possibly related to issues like <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68950">#68950</a> and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68759" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68759">#68759</a> above</p>
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<p>(reviewing)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937192" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937192">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><code>BoxFuture</code> is a type alias?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937216">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937232" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937232">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://docs.rs/futures/0.3.4/futures/future/type.BoxFuture.html" target="_blank" title="https://docs.rs/futures/0.3.4/futures/future/type.BoxFuture.html">https://docs.rs/futures/0.3.4/futures/future/type.BoxFuture.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937239">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>the actual type (<code>Pin&lt;Box...</code>) seems like it is all stable components ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937249">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>er, no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937263" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937263">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>however, the <code>boxed</code> method might not be part of stdlib?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937302" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937302">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>at least I don't find it when <a href="https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/?search=boxed" target="_blank" title="https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/?search=boxed">searching the docs</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937360">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>probably part of <code>FutureExt</code> or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937376" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937376">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can still suggest it, I guess, just a bit more complex</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937380" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937380">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I was just calling out <code>BoxFuture</code> since it's a common thing to use</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937384" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937384">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think you have to actually use the alias</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937399" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937399">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>well my point is more that if we suggest calling <code>boxed</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937404" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937404">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's not part of libstd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937409" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937409">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah, right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937421" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937421">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>so you'd have to add <code>futures</code> crate to your dependency list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937436" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937436">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like there would be a good case for including <code>boxed</code> in libstd tho</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937452" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937452">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, probably</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937473" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937473">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>(obviously that's a bit more complex than just improving the diagnostic)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937484" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937484">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>though Esteban seems to think we don't need to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937509" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937509">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess you can also suggest doing <code>Box::pin(...)</code>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937558" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937558">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., <code>Box::pin(async { ... })</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937586" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937586">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937601" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937601">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>(sorry, loading all this back into cache)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937613">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me tests <a href="https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&amp;mode=debug&amp;edition=2018&amp;gist=4e86316d17ad6d277cf9b3c55579a615" target="_blank" title="https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&amp;mode=debug&amp;edition=2018&amp;gist=4e86316d17ad6d277cf9b3c55579a615">yes, it works</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937624" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937624">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>although I still think adding <code>boxed</code> would make sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937658">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>agreed :) but should be tracked separately I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937673" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937673">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>(do we have a repo to track things like this yet?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937705">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>uuuuuuh let me do that :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937760" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937760">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>you have permission to hate me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937777" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937777">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>:p</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937781" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937781">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>or at least mercilessly mock me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937802" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937802">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937833" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937833">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not _such_ a huge fan of the <code>.boxed</code> interface, but that should indeed be discussed on an issue.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937858" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937858">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, so <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68197" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68197">#68197</a>.. OnDeck or no? I'm biased :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937860" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937860">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span> by the way, forgot announcing that I'm here and reading</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187937985" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187937985">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
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<p>ok, so <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68197" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68197">#68197</a>.. OnDeck or no? I'm biased :P</p>
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<p>I would say it depends on how often <code>BoxFuture</code> is used</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938012">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>you're the ones with experience on what real world async await code bases look like</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938023" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938023">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>so +1 if that's a common pattern</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938030">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean, with <code>async_trait</code>.. quite often I'd say</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938064" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938064">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Boxing futures isn't unusual and I generally would like people to use boxed interface more, in general...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938067" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938067">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>side note, it'd be nice if you could say <code>#[boxed] async f...</code> or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938081" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938081">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, marking OnDeck</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938110">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Inherent async fn returning <code>Self</code> treats type's lifetime parameters as <code>'static</code> <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61949" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61949">#61949</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938197" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938197">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>this rhymes with the complaint I've heard that "lifetime issues involving async are confusing"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938261">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, this issue has been around awhile</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938274" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938274">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is a more general bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938280">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I believe</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938309" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938309">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>er wait</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938315">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me figure out which one this is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938366" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938366">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61949#issuecomment-581713189" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61949#issuecomment-581713189">this comment</a> mentions forward-compat issues, is that accurate?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938430" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938430">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>huh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938452" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938452">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>we <em>thought</em> we fixed this :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938467">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>if by "fixed" it means "start giving errors"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938577" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938577">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>and there are tests</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938675" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938675">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/test/ui/async-await/issue-61949-self-return-type.rs" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/test/ui/async-await/issue-61949-self-return-type.rs">this test</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938762">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&amp;mode=debug&amp;edition=2018&amp;gist=06a794508330334476e5b9f298ea233b" target="_blank" title="https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&amp;mode=debug&amp;edition=2018&amp;gist=06a794508330334476e5b9f298ea233b">this playground</a> seems to fail with the old error</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938765" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938765">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>which <em>seems</em> identical</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938779">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I'm not sure what the implications of that are</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938794" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938794">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes that is very confusing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938802" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938802">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>well I think this is a high priority bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938846" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938846">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are indeed potentially future compat implications</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938873" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938873">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, I will mark as Focus and P-high</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938884" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938884">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess the question is who we can get to investigate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938898">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:24)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> wrote the initial PR, I wonder if they have any time to poke at this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938934" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938934">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm reluctant to volunteer but I could probably help mentor</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938957" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938957">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>if somebody else (<span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116773">@csmoe</span>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120134">@Giles Cope</span>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116883">@tmandry</span>?) were able to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938980" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938980">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I may have time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187938988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187938988">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't have much time at the moment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939009">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, I'll self-assign</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939100" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939100">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's all the uncategorized issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Giles Cope <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939147">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sorry - trying to clear down the backlog!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939227" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939227">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:27)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Sorry - trying to clear down the backlog!</p>
</blockquote>
<p>no worries :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939282">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<h1><a href="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AAsyncAwait-Focus+is%3Aopen&amp;type=Issues" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AAsyncAwait-Focus+is%3Aopen&amp;type=Issues">Focus issues</a></h1>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939319" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939319">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>last time I think most of these were blocked on some design-related question or another</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939336" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939336">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>afaik that hasn't changed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939394">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I may take some time to ping these after the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939410" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939410">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>we did close at least one, thanks to <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939423" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939423">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939452" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939452">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, not yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939454" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939454">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>but <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/68884" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/68884">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/68884</a> is pending</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939514" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939514">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>great!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939538" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939538">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>let's quickly look at</p>
<h1><a href="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AAsyncAwait-OnDeck+is%3Aopen&amp;type=Issues" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/search?q=org%3Arust-lang+is%3Aissue+label%3AAsyncAwait-OnDeck+is%3Aopen&amp;type=Issues">OnDeck issues</a></h1>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939575" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939575">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>in case anyone is looking for something more to do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939602" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939602">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, this list is getting fairly long</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939628" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939628">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>which isn't a "bad" thing per se</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939640">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think we may need a way to break it down further</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939654" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939654">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>or prioritize within the list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939659" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939659">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems too long, yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939719" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939719">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>well maybe the length isn't the main thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939739" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939739">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe the question is whether to try and generate a "call for help" or something to direct more eyes on this list</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939791" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939791">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, we could possibly start marking some of these</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939801">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>personally, I really like kanban boards also</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939828" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939828">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>so if we could throw these on a GH project board or something, I'd find it helpful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939922" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939922">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, so let me create that repo :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939952">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can setup a call for help if someone can spend time to mentor</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187939953" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187939953">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do want to talk a bit -- but I have to run at this moment -- about "what's next" anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940003">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>That's mainly the big problem: calls for help also require some bandwidth to cover the influx</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940039" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940039">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:35)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>That's mainly the big problem: calls for help also require some bandwidth to cover the influx</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes, I find the mentorship bit to be a bottleneck, usually</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940119" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940119">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>and also, I think people are reluctant to help mentor something they aren't 100% sure they know how to solve</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940122">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, I have a procedural question for OnDeck: given that <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/56974" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/56974">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/56974</a> Is currently actively being worked on, should we move it to one of the boards?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940165" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940165">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>and also, I think people are reluctant to help mentor something they aren't 100% sure they know how to solve</p>
</blockquote>
<p>even if they have a lot of helpful context that most people wouldn't</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940168">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:36)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>and also, I think people are reluctant to help mentor something they aren't 100% sure they know how to solve</p>
</blockquote>
<p>They shouldn't be ;). But yes, this is a big problem.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940236">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>This is meta, but would it make sense to have an internal mentoring document?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940273" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940273">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116883">@tmandry</span>s point is a good one and shouldn't be lost</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940303" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940303">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>What are you imagining would be in this doc?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940426" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Giles Cope <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940426">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>(In other news I'm going to be helping Ernest out  with the rust london meetups. He said he needed a hand. Might find a few more recruits there...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940441" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940441">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Something like "all it takes to be a mentor is a little bit of experience, and a willingness to find and link to some relevant code"..?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940454" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940454">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that could work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940600" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940600">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Let's quickly wrap up the meeting proper before we digress (sorry for starting that)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940614" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940614">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Also, I have a procedural question for OnDeck: given that <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/56974" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/56974">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/56974</a> Is currently actively being worked on, should we move it to one of the boards?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I marked it as OnDeck so it'll show up when I look at what issues have been closed recently :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940619">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940626" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940626">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>we're well past the end of the meeting, so <span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span> thanks all for attending :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940650">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I forgot to say that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940671" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940671">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>but in my head, the meeting was already over <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940694" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940694">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940742" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940742">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120134">@Giles Cope</span> that's great, RustLDN is awesome</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940753">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>So, at one of my non-profits, we have this: <a href="http://opentechschool.github.io/slides/presentations/coaching/" target="_blank" title="http://opentechschool.github.io/slides/presentations/coaching/">http://opentechschool.github.io/slides/presentations/coaching/</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940780" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940780">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>This is for on-site coaching. But a lot of people found it useful.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940928" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940928">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sentences like your's above make things "click" and give people confidence. A lot of people confuse mentoring with "I could solve the problem myself, but just don't do it so that someone else can try". That's not the point.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940950">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>In any case, I'll push that onto my eternal log...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187940988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187940988">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, it's something that only recently "clicked" for me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187941011" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187941011">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>people are smart, if they're also determined (most contributors are) they'll fill in the gaps you leave</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187941031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187941031">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>the point is to share what context you have as widely as possible</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187941044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187941044">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>and build a culture of doing that, perhaps</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187941132" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187941132">(Feb 11 2020 at 18:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>that context is hard-earned and can still save someone hours (or make the difference between them ultimately contributing or not)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187943442" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Giles Cope <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187943442">(Feb 11 2020 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116883">@tmandry</span> can you comment on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/57478" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/57478">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/57478</a> please?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187943727" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187943727">(Feb 11 2020 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187943768" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> tmandry <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187943768">(Feb 11 2020 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we need a separate issue to track the diagnostics component of it, and that one should be OnDeck instead of this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187999451" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187999451">(Feb 12 2020 at 10:57)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Something like "all it takes to be a mentor is a little bit of experience, and a willingness to find and link to some relevant code"..?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>very much this btw :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187999458" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187999458">(Feb 12 2020 at 10:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I used to overdo it sometimes I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187999499" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187999499">(Feb 12 2020 at 10:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>but just sketching out the path and linking to code is often better than laying a detailed path</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187999512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187999512">(Feb 12 2020 at 10:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>first off, it may be enough by itself, and second, people can come back with questions if not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/187999532" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#187999532">(Feb 12 2020 at 10:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>the bigger thing (and something I sometimes find hard) is answering those questions with low latency :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting%202020.02.11/near/188015360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> csmoe <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/187312-wg-async-foundations/topic/meeting.202020.2E02.2E11.html#188015360">(Feb 12 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sorry for absent, those days were a bit messy(my city was locked down due to ncov-2019). I'll resume the issues assigned to me.</p>



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